Finally, Pakistan made the last provocation by totally rejecting the evidence hand over by the Government of India on November 26th Mumbai attack. We all know nothing will happen, as Arundhathi Roy mentioned in her article on Mumbai attack that, we can not expect India to respond to Pakistan as US respond to Afganistan in 2002 on the basis of 11th September attack. She added that India is not US, Pakistan is not Afganistan and 2008 is not 2001. Yes we all know that India is not US and not even Sri Lanka to take decision and action even on the subjects of National security. The political leaders are claiming that India is the biggest democratic country in the world and it cant respond like others doing. We have our commitment to the world peace. But dont we have any commitment to the security of our own national? The attack on Pakistan is not at all a total solution to the terrorist menance against India. How many attacks have been witnessed in these days? And what are the actions taken? How are the people caught? What is the final judgement of all those? Nothing.. The things will go like that.. This November 26th issue may be considered more seriously, I think it is because of the political and economic pressure from different sides. When we will have a leadership with strong decisions? When we will respond on correct time to issues like this? When we will have a Foreign Affairs minister who will respond to international issues how we expect? E. Ahmed was quite silent to Pakistan but was very active against Israel. We dont want any political leader like him and we all have to bear these type of leaders, just because they have elected from a constituency and we dont have any right to call them back, if they not behave or act accordingly. Is this the democray?
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Dear Sajeesh I appreciate your initiatives. You have expressed your distress that Indian politicians have not acted as people expect, but you have not mentioned what people might expect. If you think it is war on Pakistan, then I feel you have misunderstood Arundhathi Roy’s article and placed things out of context. Instead, the very first of the article goes as follows
ReplyDeleteThe Mumbai attacks have been dubbed 'India's 9/11', and there are calls for a 9/11-style response, including an attack on Pakistan. Instead, the country must fight terrorism with justice, or face civil war
There are more issues in this country where there are more victims than the victims of terrorism. I will not comprehend on it as most Indians know what our problems are. Do not misunderstand that I say terrorism is not a problem for India; it does not deserve as it has been highlighted thus covering the real issues.
What the terrorists achieved by doing this? If ISI/Pakistan does this what could be their motive? To dismantle India’s infrastructure? Even the stupid knows that is impossible. To dismantle India’s religious tolerance? Again even the stupid will know the innocent muslims will be suffering in any case . ISI function for India, Taliban and America (Israel). Pakistan is unstable in all aspects at present and this is the best time for brain guys to make money thru muscle guys. What the KGB agents turned into after the USSR collapse is the same thing going on in Pakistan. You can give some money to ISI to bomb pakistan and they will plant it in the heart of their own parliament. Basically they have turned into money making machines. No civilian will understand or perceive what is really going on unless they analyze deeply. If you watch history channel you will get to know what the mood of the public was during a particular time for a particular incident and what the actual facts were. For eg In Gujrath until now there is no solid evidence that muslim mob carried out the sabotage to the train carrying innocent pilgrims , but what went in news and what was the immediate effect and what most think until now?. BBC correspondent reported that the aftermath of the incident should have been planned at least 1 month before the incident. another eg. It is been believed by some that during 1920-40s the Zionists bombed their own passenger ship inundated with Jews in American waters, then cried Anti-Semitism just to encourage people to migrate to Israel from Europe and to make the mass understand that Israel is the safest place for them on earth. God knows what is true.
There are also conspiracies’ that ATS important officers were purposely killed and these mumbai blasts are a great political drama to undermine Malegoen terror attack investigation. We cannot believe all conspiracies and at the same time not all official news. In contemporary world I feel only we educated persons are more confused by the news stuffs which are been tailor made for the us by the great decision makers. They manipulate & explore our emotions into chauvinism at the cost of our patriotism.
In Democracy and in the name of Democracy there are many mockeries
Why USA breached UN in Iraq war? Why UN not able to influence on Middle East Politics even though it is believed to be the supreme? Why VETO power is not dependent upon democracy? Why democratically elected governments in Arab countries are toppled down by America and taken by Military? Eg Turkey, Morroco, Jordon and even in Egypt (in the past) Why America accepted Pervez Musharraf even though he was a dictator? Still many funny things ....... Democracy is tough guys shield for hypocrisy. You can expect nothing from current politicians and democracy,coz the system is virus infected. The same pple who find antivirus programe create virul programes. The pple who claim that they work for world peace sell more arms. Be it the congress/BSP/Communists or the bjps all raise certain issues to get the power, once they get they also countinue the same,pple like you and me will write paragraphs
I personally feel that in this contemporary world any small issue is difficult to solve because they are designed not to be solved. Wars and violence across the world will only benefit the people who sell arms and ammunitions. GET TO KNOW WHO SELLS ARMS AND I HOPE YOU HAVE WATCHED THE FILM - lord of war starring Nicholas cage. Thank you. Readers Encouraged criticizing this article.
Of course I do agree that 'democracy is tough guys shield for hypocrisy."
ReplyDeleteBut then what is the alternative?
Terrorism is the biggest issue in India because the root cause for all others are from here only and hence the solution too. Take the tally of victims here in India and compare it with any other part in the world which is even less in Iraq and in US ("their" target).
Regarding the so called scar in Indian democracy....
• How can be the Gujarat Riot the biggest scar? While comparing the death toll it was less than what happened even before in Gujarat itself. “First communal riot" took place in Ahmadabad in 1713. . Gujarat, it seems, has been peculiarly susceptible to communal riots and there have been riots in Ahmadabad in 1730, in 1937, and some other times. But Hindu-Muslim riots have had an all-India character, riots having taken place in 1806, 1809, 1813, 1820, 1833, 1837, 1850, 1853 and so right upto 1897,
when there was no BJP, no VHP, no RSS and no Narendra Modi.
• The Central Government informed the Rajya Sabha that 254 Hindus and 790 Muslims were killed in the post-Godhra riots in Gujarat.
• Minister of State for Home Affairs Sri Prakash Jaiswal said a total of 223 people were reported missing and 2,548 sustained injuries during the riots in 2002.
• He said the Government paid Rs 1.5 lakh to the next of kin of each person killed and Rs 5,000, Rs 15,000, Rs 25,000 and Rs 50,000 for the injured. The amount for the injured was based on the extent of injury, the Minister added.
According to this reply in Parliament, the Minister of State for Home Affairs in the Congress-led UPA Government has pegged the death toll of the 2002 riots at 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus. Yet, these figures are not reflected in the propagandist pronouncements of those who claim to champion the cause of India's Muslims. More often than not we come across claims of 'thousands of Muslims butchered by Hindu fanatics in Narendra Modi's Gujarat.' This is a lie that has been repeated ad nauseam since that terrible day when Hindus travelling by Sabarmati Express were roasted alive after their coach was set ablaze by Muslim fanatics.
Comparing to the slaughter of Pandits and the subsequent ethnic cleansing of Kashmir Valley -- while insisting that the 2002 violence in Gujarat is the worst India has seen in its 'modern history' is truly astonishing.
The massacre in Malliana has been conveniently forgotten; brutal memories of the riots in Meerut have been obliterated. The nightlong massacre of Muslims at Nellie in Assam, which witnessed suckling infants being snatched from their mothers' arms and being speared to death, has been erased from the secularists' record of 'modern Indian history.' Stomach-churning details of the Bhagalpur riots -- Muslims were killed, buried in fields and cauliflower and other winter vegetables planted over the rotting cadavers -- no longer feature in the secularists' collective conscience. The anti-Sikh pogrom that followed Mrs. Indira Gandhi's assassination is not even talked about any more: More than 4,000 Sikhs were murdered, many of them by placing burning tyres around their necks. Each of these massacres of innocent men, women and children took place when the Congress was in power and did nothing more than twiddle its thumbs as marauders went about their pillaging secure in the belief that they would not be punished.
According to the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, 'genocide' refers to 'acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.' Note that little word 'a' in that definition.
When Nazi Germany extinguished six million of a single group called Jews, that was genocide.
When, in 1984, Congress party goons extinguished over 3,000 of a single group called Sikhs, that too was genocide.
In 1989-1990, when some Muslims in the Kashmir valley slaughtered some 10,000 Kashmiri Pandits, killed or raped their women in front of their eyes, and ultimately expelled some 350,000 Pandits from their homes, that was genocide of a religious group.
In Gujarat 2002, however, of the total deaths (as per the home ministry's official annual report for 2002-2003, page 6), about a third were Hindus (including 59 charred in a train compartment) and 200 in all were killed in police firing. If, at one stage, 100,000 Muslims were struggling in relief camps, so were 40,000 Hindus. Thus, Gujarat 2002 was not genocide of one ethnic community
"There are some who claim to be 'champion' of human values, democracy, morals and off-course Secularism... How can we forget "Secularism".???
First thing they have to do to prove their 'top notch' moral standards is call Narendra Modi names... attach everything evil on Earth to his name.. and then go on un-interrupted preaching "Secularism" to us.
The riots of Gujarat in 2002 is the MOST disturbing tragedy to humanity ever happened.. And offcourse, the clock for these 'enlightened' souls have stopped in 2002. The needles do NOT go further back in history and do NOT come to current present either. Their memory just replay those eventful, horrible 3 days of riots...
They then, in dogmatic fashion says: "Modi is the single most danger looming to humanity! Indians must get rid of him!""
When pointed out: "Sir/Ma'am, there is one other soul roaming around on Earth (in Secular Pakistan) with the name Osama Bin Laden, can be even more dangerous..."
They cut us short: "Do you seriously think that Osama is a threat? He is a noble soul..."
We say: "9/11...!!"
They say: "George Bush and Israely Jews lobby were behind 9/11... "
We bring them home: "Daowod Ibrahim..., Kashmir Terrorism, Madani, HUJI, LeT..... are killing innocent Indians freely..."
They say: "There are NO Concrete proof against these... Infact, Madani is Next Gandhi talking of love, and peace...."
We say: "Sikh Riots were sponsored genocide against Sikhs by Gandhi family....."
They say: "In fact it was an aberration..., Congress do NOT have hate agenda against anyone.."
We say: "Ksahmiri Pandits are living like refugees since decades...in their own country... They have been systematically targetted and eliminited in order to bring about Muslim majority...."
They say: "In J&K army is perpetrating terrorism..., You are trying to target muslims in the name of Kashmiri Pandits..."
We say: "Gujarat riots were result of Godhara Carnage in which 58 innocent travellers, all Hindus were burnt to Death..
They say: "WHAT Godhara???"
We say : "Why can't be a Uniform Civil Code... Same for all religions.. afterall we are Secular.. mean all religion are equal and hence must follow same rules..."
They say: "You are trying to strangle Muslim freedom..."
We say: "Fatwa by Haji Ali a UP minister for bringing head of Cartoonists, MLAs of Kerala MLM party against Taslima Nasreen...., ..."
They say: "So why blasphemous Cartoons were brought out......"
We say: "Hindu gods were painted nude....."
They say: "Its freedom of speech and expression..."
We say: "Sonia Gandhi and Quattrochi....."
They say: "he he he they are relative... "!
We say: "What about human rights of those got killed by Terrorists across the country and Godhara burnings..."??
They say: "........................................... RSS & Modi are responsible"
We tried to say: "After all more than 250 Hindus too died in Gujarat Riots..from Police action and Muslim rioters.."
They say: " well. uhh... hmmm /.... NO.... RSS & Modi are responsible..!!!!!
We finally say: "Today its very Hot.... Summer is really burning us down with 46 Degrees..."
They say: "RSS & Modi are responsible....!!!!!"
We Say: "You are true Secular NOW......................"!!!
Dear Fakruddin and Rajesh,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comments and your wide description of different incidents. But first of all, let me make it clear that, I am not in favour of war. But I am very much disappointed and frustrated to the present style of politics in India, which is based mainly on vote bank. I have noticed many responses from different sides ( yes from politicians and those are important or only important in present system in India). Most of them are aimed at the coming parliament election. Some parties are blind on terrorism and they are always against US. They just want to be in an opposite side where the US stands. And some are against muslim countries. Those people always enjoy attack on Muslim countries. But when there is an attack on India, most of these people are silent or reserved to make comments. It is the fact that most of the Indian politicians misunderstand that, the common muslims in India is supporting activities of Pakistan or so called Pakistan supported terrorist. So they are silent when these problems happening in India. The fact that the terrorist activity in India or on India started in its present form ( yes to some extent to common muslims) from 6th of December 1992. Initially it was merely a relegious insecurity. But now it turn in the form of criminalism. It is evident that the present terrorists are not relegious. They are just using the name of relegion for their benefits. Otherwise why they want to kill people from their own relegion?
A war on Pakistan will only benefit to terrorists, as they feel it is the safest country to operate. If any insuecurity in Pakistan they can make use of it. Pakistan is highly instable financially, economically and socially. So the politicians there also need some sensational issues to maintain their power. Thats why Pakistan respond to the issues as India expect or world expect to act good against terrorists.
In India most of the people are politically guided . They have their strong political thoughts( right or wrong) and they will cast their vote accordingly. But the ultimate result are guided by the leaders, whom always change their alliances. We are going to see stange alliances going to come in coming days. To some political parties, communalism is happening only because of those parties which use relegious name in their party name. It is widely misinterpreted that PDP ( Abdul Nasar Madani) is not a communal party as their party name does not carry any relegious name!!!
Democracy is good if it practiced good. We should be able to call back a parlimentarian, if he is not upto our expectations. And there should be provision to vote for " No, I dont accept all these candidates". Yes, there are technical issues for all these. But have to be solved. See what happened in Jarghand ...
Let us hope , to have a strong government which will address the basic issues...
Dear Sajeesh
ReplyDeleteOf course there is nothing more inhuman than killing a human by a human. It is same if it happens in Gujarat, Kashmir, Kannur or even in Pakistan.
But I wonder how it can verdict the dec 2 ,1992 as the starting point of terrorism here. Was the partition happened after 1992?
Demolition of so called Babri masjid is no way related to the so called musilm terrorism in the world . Even that masjid and Babar have nothing religious to Muslims. Babar was not a religious person or a prophet. Imagine Mr Mushraf attacked India and conquered and destroyed Akshrdam and constructed a new monument under his name ..is it will be anything religious to Muslims?.
(read it with St.Petersburg to Leningrad to st.Petersburg .........)
The cheap political interference from time to time , illiteracy of common Indian Muslims and the barbarian intellectuals lead Ayodhya issue to such an inevitable incidence.
After 1992 really what happened is the sleeping Hindu starts awaken ( please do not read Hindu here as same as any semitic religion).For me Hindu is anyone who worship Mother India as his /her hollyand who was the cradle for knowledge once.
Dear Rajesh,
ReplyDeleteIf is trace the origin of terrorism, we may go far than partition. I meant the insecurity of common Muslims in India started from that incident. Then some percentage of commom Muslims strted to support these terrorist activites. But now it is in the hands of criminals and nobody can control it. Nobody realised what will be the consequence of that "small" incident. There were time even after the partition, the common muslims think that they are secure in India and India is their mother country and most of them are proud of India's culture. It is not to blame any political parties for the root cause. But now it is the fact that, most of the people reserve their openions just because it may be misinterpreted. And it is the fact that, people looking at who is saying that what is saying. Why most of Political parties and orgaisations are silent to these isuues in India and why they are vigilant when it is happening in Iraq and Palastine? And why some organisations not opposing it by not considering whether it happened in India, Iraq, Pakistan? Lot of intellectuals, educated people and to some extent the common man undertand why. They are making us fools and think that people belive what they say and it will be true. It is not the "muslim heart" which guide the world so called " muslim terrorist". But it is simply criminals, drug mafia, war lords... So a joint effort should to be strated to tackle these born criminals. By blaming each other nothing will gain. Understand the real objectives of present terrorism. An attack on any country will not eliminate or control terrorism but may be a chance to grow it... Attack on Afiganistan, Iraq, Palastine and many more...any progress in controlling terrorism? They are growing beyond control and making use of these conflicts to grow further...
"All proteins are not enzymes but all enzymes are proteins" and so is the semitic religionists and terrorists.
ReplyDeleteLet it be there. Come to the topic what is next?
sure will come back on it soon...till then good wishes to you all
I feel it is dangerous to subscribe to “We say and They say” coz we can never expect truth from it, we and they will ALWAYS say things according to their convenience. We and they are designed, so that pple will always DEBATE/BLAME on the other from OPPOSITE PLATFORMS instead of DISCUSSING from same platform. We’s can bring lot of official news, statistics, history according to their convenience so as They’s. This will never end as both of them have 2 hands & legs with a brain.
ReplyDeleteI think my previous writing was misunderstood by Mr. Rajesh or may be I did not reflect my thoughts with correct words, I do not know.
I want to suggest that, if we take an issue, we got to go to its root and not jump into conclusions conveniently and blame others easily.
For eg If we apt to speak about OSAMA BIN LADEN, (OBL) we got to go to the root of him. Obviously, I will accept him as a terrorist, sincerely I feel him to be punished. It is Just. No second thought. At the same time I will never accept a creator terrorist to punish this created terrorist because it is not just. Powerful American politicians, WHO DO NOT REFLECT THE EXPECTATIONS OF AMERICAN PEOPLE and who were handpicked in junior Bush’s ministry were having private business relations with OBL. In the name of help they supplied Saddam Hussein and OBL with weapons and a lot of bla bla blas happened after ……. These are not conspiracy theories. It is documented that Donald Rumsfield was the mediator in supplying ammunitions to both Iraq & Iran during the Iraq, Iran conflicts in the 70s and 80s and it is documented that senior bush had good business relation with OBL’s family.
4% OF WORLD POPULATION USES 25% OF WORLD OIL – BBC Hope everybody knows who this 4% are so if we apt to speak about OBL, got to go in and outs to know the whole picture. Got to have eagles view then get into the problem.
WHY POLITICIANS DO NOT REFLECT?
If my ideology is fanatism I will always buy fanatic version of an issue. My mind will be stubborn narrow. I will also infect others with the same. The result will be like my motherlands contemporary situation in every aspect as Sajeesh correctly pointed out in his opening that politicians do not reflect people’s expectations. YEH, it is the root problem but we got to look into the root cause of this problem instead of lime lighting root problem. How can you expect politician to reflect your expectation if you yourselves are DIVIDED INTO NUMBER OF NATIONS WITHIN A NATION? How do they reflect people’s expectations if people themselves are broadly narrow minded?? How can you get rid of those politicians if other likes them? This situation is inevitable until or unless a lot of things change.
What is next
IF YOU THINK INDIA NEEDS A CHANGE YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT IF YOU THINK THAT IS A CHANGE OF MERE GOVERNMENT THEN YOU ARE DEEPLY WRONG.
The change in government will not bring the change in the country, because there is not much change in ideologies of political parties. And even if changes are there in ideologies, the ultimate activities are same. The whole system should be changed with global changes, by addressing new problems and advantages. Basis issues of people have to be addressed. Some depressed people are still suffering as they dont have any platform to express their problems and some are getting more when they use their political strength. As the "middle-class" is deciding the goverment formation, most of the advantages are aimed at middle-class. Before it was aimed at poor. Now they are just neglecting poor or just forget the fact that there are a lot of them still. Even in the case of reservation, by raising the financial limit to 4.5 lakhs, the ultimate result will be the exlussion of poor again. Leaders are from middle class and top class and they talk for middle class or rich in the name of poor. There should be strong movement for reservation for economically backward people from all castes, as far as caste system is there. Study has to be conducted who is actually benefits from any social programme.. Guess that most of the people are desparate with the system, but just stay as there is no alternative now... may be later there will be.... Have to be...
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